Thursday, August 21, 2008

LEOPOLD ABSE : ALAS, WE NEVER GOT TO KNOW YOU

Leo Abse understood something about Civilisation and its Discontents but he was put to grass already in Wilsonite-nightie-nighty-nights. That was the irony I guess.

Dylan once sang a song about Lenny Bruce. Who will sing a song for Leo?

Will Blair smile at the cemetry?

25 comments:

anticant said...

I knew him all too well!

The Barefoot Freudian........

Merkin said...

thought anti would have something interesting to say about it !!

Merkin said...

Our Dear Friend got a good mention in The Graun.

http://tinyurl.com/6mbxuh

anticant said...

It was not a good mention. It was a typically Absean put-down and a travesty of AG's views, regurgitated unquestioningly by the writer - who was supposed to be doing an interview with AG as well as with Abse, but never did.

For all the good he did - and he did a lot - Abse was the most conceited person I ever met. He was always 110 per cent. right about everything, because his Freudian convictions gave him - he believed - a more profound and complete perspective than everyone else's.

He often talked - and believed - an awful lot of twaddle. [See his books.]

Not an easy person to work with!

zola a social thing said...

Sorry Anticant : I did not intend my little text to bring out past "things".
It is indeed correct that an anti-Freudian conviction allows a more profound and complete perspective.
That is just why PostModern-ititty always pops out here and there.

Ahhhhh.... I am beastly I know.

anticant said...

Don't worry, Zola. Leo and I respected each other, after our own fashion. I admired the way he kept on writing his oddball books until the end, even after a severe stroke a few years ago. And he was fortunate to marry a caring and supportive Polish second wife 50 younger than himself!

The problem with him was - as I say in my book "Quest for Justice" - that he was convinced that playing the "we must pity these poor damaged inadequate people" card was the only way to get the homosexual reform bill through the Commons. Not only did I think him wrong - the issue was a straightforward one of injustice - but he was too dismissive of the problems which the very restrictive measure he sponsored was storing up for the future.

It is all very well to say - as he did only recently - that he knew all along that he was talking a load of tripe, but that the tripe was necessary. I didn't think it was at the time, and still don't.

Freudianism is a religion, or a cult, just like any other.

But he was a most exceptional person and a courageous MP, as I wrote to his wife the other day. In spite of all our differences, I am the first to acknowledge that he is owed a great deal by many people, and not only gay people.

zola a social thing said...

Indeed, like your good self with destiny.
Backbenchers all.
Damn it you are needed !

anticant said...

So are you, dear Zola. If you could see yourself as others see you, you would blush.

A prince among bloggers!

zola a social thing said...

bollocks !

anticant said...

I meant "a prince among froggers".

zola a social thing said...

That's better.
Gimme me a kiss.

anticant said...

If I do, I wonder what you'll turn into?

zola a social thing said...

Siggi Freud.

Anonymous said...

Ziggi Stardust.

Anonymous said...

As long as it isn't Gary Glitter....

Merkin said...

Don't wanna be in this gang, this gang, this gang.

Merkin said...

'a good mention' refers to the size of the thing rather than the quality!

Maybe it is a Scots construction and in no way Freudian, Zola,

Hope you are enjoying the sun, Anti.

anticant said...

There is very little sun where I am in London, and I shall not be enjoying the Greek sun for another five weeks - if I get there. But there is a medical blip on the horizon at the moment, requiring a CT scan and biopsy, and as ever the NHS won't be hurried and interpret "urgent" as meaning in ten days' time.......

If I were Gordibroon I'd be chewing my nails.

anticant said...

I have been invited to Mr Abse's civic funeral next Friday, but of course shall be unable to travel to Wales.

However, it was a nice gesture.

zola a social thing said...

Noboby with a fit state of mind would ever travel to Wales.

anticant said...

Wales is a beatiful country. I've had some great holidays there.

zola a social thing said...

Wales is full of wets.

anticant said...

DISCLAIMER - THIS STORY HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH WALES!

A social worker friend once told me she had to interview a farm labourer accused of misdemeanours with sheep. She said to him "What interests me is how you actually do it?" His reply was "Well, you see, miss, I puts their back legs down the front of me wellies!"

anticant said...

Getting back to our Welsh muttons, Leo Abse once told me that he had to interview a student who had been apprehended kissing another man in a car. The staunchly Chapel Welsh police superintendant expressed shock and horror at such perverted behaviour, to which the youth retorted "I can't see what's wrong with it. General de Gaulle does it all the time!"

Case dismissed.

zola a social thing said...

Birmingham native found dipping his penis into a yellow dish.
When asked what he was doing he just replied :-
" I am just fuckin dis-gusted(grunt and groan, moan and pant)...... but
What are YOU doing"?
The Judge blushed and sent "im" to Coventry.

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