Wednesday, March 07, 2007

ALTERNATIVES : example number 2

Carl Rogers remains for me significant. His work with social-psychology may be old fashioned today but his basic insights remain, for me, intact. If any alternative way is to be found for our 21st century Carl Rogers and the 1950s might just find favour. In my last post I displayed a poem by Malaguzzi and asked for this 100 ways of Humanitas to be one of the keys for policy. Today I turn to a social psychology that might just make a difference and help us all, just well enough, along this less travelled pathway. Carl Rogers is well worth returning with. I say this in two ways :-

a) His valid attempt to link the social with the individual through creativity and the basic needs of both society and the person may be another reasonable starting point for policy and decision-making. Society and the personal self are intertwined but there remains a kind of basic set of needs if all are to flourish. This approach avoids any one dimensional psychology or sociology and a creative possibility is encouraged thereby. In a word the insipid "me, me, ,me" self is balanced out by a social-self. That I believe is another starting point for an alternative dynamic. This may be a rather old fashioned approach but it remains, for me, an essential one.

b) Carl Rogers also talked of those basic aspects of the good life and well being. There is, he said, a sure connection between basic ways of food, shelter and clothes and all that with, at the same time, a sense of community and folk. These two aspects of life are essential even in a postmodern world. Then as a third connection there is that sense of a personal activeness where the "self" is "actualised" and vitally alive. This kind of three dimensional existence may be difficult ( hopefully impossible) to standardise or measure but it remains one cornerstone for life itself as well lived.

The point here is to come clean. To say what informs judgement and to reply to those that ask for alternatives to be more than mere critique. It is all to easy to blast out critical stuff without a basic foundation ( oopps a bad word there?) so I hope that this is a second grounding for alternatives and the future.

To ask new questions and to be critical is great stuff but foundations remain even if only in the head before the pen. Hope this links ok with that poem of 100 ways. I also hope this post is seen as a valid response to those that, quite rightly, ask for a few basic groundings that inform critical texts.

Shit - after reading my stuff above a stiff drink is needed. Must do better and really get to more basic things. Yellow Duck has more sex on his site now. Visit. Eastern stuff is in vogue it seems. Shut up Zola you have already fucked up the day.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

Zola gets naked wow.
or is that knackerd?

anticant said...

Yes, Rogers is great on empathy. I find Fritz Perls' Gestalt Therapy even more intuitively insightful, and Eric Berne's TA a sound conceptual framework for sussing out "what's going on".

How about a naked noggin in the burrow Snug? You've earned it!

zola a social thing said...

Shit man it was you that asked me to come clean and now you ask me to read more books and papers.
let us av a beer with ben

anticant said...

I never said anything about reading - I was talking about doing. Cheer up! Go take a naked hike over the Hathersage moors, and then drop into the burrow where you'll find a warm welcome awaits you - not least from the Beadle, who is already polishing up the fire tongs...

Anonymous said...

"Me me me" isn't just insipid - it's also got the potential to be dangerous. Look where "There's no such thing as society" got us here in Britain.

Brings to mind Maslow as well - his hierarchy of human need which, whilst adaptable to many different levels, had at its apex the notion of creativity and fulfilment of potential (erm, if I remember that rightly).

zola a social thing said...

Good point Trousers : I agree with your critique.
I would use Maslow as a network or a cluster of "needs" and refuse this hierarchy idea ( which was not what maslow wanted himself ).
But yes.
Your point is taken and taken deeply.

BTW : my own text refused an apex for anything.

zola a social thing said...

Maybe I repeat to keep on thread. The basic assumptions that guide may be opened up. This is what i am trying to do after people rightly ask for the alternatives as concrete.

That is an alternative politics must do moire than criticise the status quo it must move with possibilities.

I think that the Maslow dimensions listed above are essential as a unity where no one way is enough.

Anonymous said...

Indeed - the reason I wrote about Maslow in terms of hierarchy was simply for naming (ie, I always knew it as Maslow's Hierarchy), but I think I see what you're talking about in terms of trying to see it and action it in a more holistic sense.

Richard W. Symonds said...

Maslow himself went beyond his own Hierachy of Needs Theory, and put forward the Meta Motivation Theory.

He outlined this in a book called "The Farther Reaches of Human Nature" - which has been almost totally disregarded - along with his "Towards a Psychology of Being" - after which he dropped down dead at too early an age.

I have no wish to bore the pants off you here, but that last book of Maslow's was wonderful...

The guy was 'flying' with creative enthusiasm...you can tell in his writing that he was literally bursting with energy, and bursting with excitement at the new discoveries he was making...

Unfortunately, his heart couldn't keep up it seems - and he died of a massive heart attack I understand.

Like his friend Carl Rogers, they became 'outcasts' to the Establishment because of their 'radical' ideas.

Carl Rogers shared his great ideas with the Russias in his later years - convinced of the critical necessity of talking with the 'enemy'.

This did not go down at all well with the US 'Cold War Warriors' of the time - and his 'radical' ideas of conciliation were silenced.

Maslow suffered the same fate - which is one reason why most people know Maslow only for his 'Hierachy of Needs'.

Both Maslow and Rogers are well worth another look, as humanity contemplates nuclear oblivion.

zola a social thing said...

Maslow AND Rogers - wonderful and get that man a Black Sheep beer.
The next post on "Alternatives" will really excite you all.
But Black Sheep first.

anticant said...

Rogers, Maslow, Perls, Berne et al. were all at the forefront of the fashionable 'humanistic psychology' when I was training as a counsellor in the early 1980s. It was about insight, motivation and self-empowerment - exciting stuff. But those ideas and attitudes were swamped, first by the Thatcherite "get on by pushing others out of the way" philosophy and then the Blairite "nanny knows best" tripe that we're saddled with today. Let's hope the wheel will turn again soon!

Anonymous said...

Indeed, Anticant.

Richard W. Symonds said...

Indeed

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