Wednesday, November 07, 2007

ROMANTIC FINLAND
Finland has been called, sometimes, more American than America. Sometimes that has seemed to me like a good sense reading. Sometimes.
Schools, killings and.......... Nokia land.
As I live in the north we call the south and Helsinki -- HELLSTINKI.
We have better ways of slaughter in the North.
This post in no way disrespects those hurt by senseless killing.
I am just sad at this absurdity that grows and grows in Finland.

The "no comment" ploy of Finnish authorities no longer works.
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zola a social thing said...

As police are having to report in new ways about a new-cultural crime ( it is 8 dead as of 18.30 hours)things are getting hot.

Police report back after 24 hours when more solid information should be available.

The killer was only 18 years of age and by all accounts the head teacher was the first to be killed.

Many questions going on now about social structures.

18:51
Reissurääpäle said...

Sad day in many ways indeed.

21:57
Merkin said...

Dunblane, quite near Glasgow, is a beautiful village which will always be remembered for just such a thing.
The relatives have been fighting for full disclosure of the facts.
The facts have been hidden under gagging Orders.
Orders which have hidden the links between the murderer and top Police officials and Politicians the people who allowed him legal guns and access to children.
Let's hope the people of Finland get the whole truth at such a time of trouble.

02:52
zola a social thing said...

Indeed sad and brutal and nasty.
The Finnish police tread a very tricky line here. Facts are wanted but the age of Nokia Land demands comments before all the facts are gathered.
This I wrote yesterday for a Finnish newspaper at 14.30 hours Finnish time and I felt hard pressed to comment on the spot as it were but yet remain open to the facts that would come along later.

What happens this morning is Finnish media concentrate mainly on so called psychological bits and pieces with only a few voices trying to tackle the deeper causal aspects of anomie and alienation - that is social structure.

If anyone wants to read my newspaper text from 14.30 yesterday I will post it. But I am saying here most of it anyway. The only thing I added was the use of the word capitalism.

Sad but deadly serious.

07:28
Reissurääpäle said...

41 shots....
and we'll take that ride
'cross this bloody river
to the other side

09:53
zola a social thing said...

41 shots and what have you got?
Another ride to heaven
And deeper in debt.

Comment from 16 year old yesterday ( remained unpublished until now):-
" Oh I would never have jumped out from those windows. I would take the bullet. I would be so bored with broken legs. It would spoil my life."

Hello again Reisuurappa.
Finn politics wants to put more cctv and walls around Finnish schools now.
That is their answer to this madness.
I go away now and hit my head on a wall and pull out my hair. Best go kayaking agin methinks.

10:43
Reissurääpäle said...

Yes it looks that we are getting damn far from the ideas of "well being society" when things like this happens and starts discussion how do we prevent it in the future.

What if this would have happened during nurses strike (I mean that one when they quit)?

Will this help negotiations to find solution? I really hope so.

Nowadays I just mainly get very angry when observing this World of Man.

I think I should go back to mountains where is no World of Man exept that one I take with me.

13:16
anticant said...

This is a very sad business, but we've got to face the fact that in every society a few psychopathic nutters are loose who will act out their violent fantasies.

I see that Finland has the highest percentage of gun-owners in Europe. Surely it is essential to restrict the licensing of guns in private hands to a small minority who prove their need to possess one.

But of course such a common-sense policy would be anathema to Americans, who delude themselves that the right of citizens to bear arms comes from God.

The lunacy of a large proportion of human beings never ceases to amaze and depress me.

13:49
Reissurääpäle said...

Yes we have the highest percentage of gun-owners in Europe. And it has been that way long times.

Though we have not had this kind of incidents taking place here before.

Something has changed and it is not that fact that we have highest percentage of gun-owners. It is same than before.

So something else has changed and I think that is what we have to change in first place.

Gun control can help that change but it won´t work alone.

14:00
zola a social thing said...

In Finland the "Home Guard" has been a big and often "not talked about" thing. But it has been a good political force. Finland will not be toppled easily by any Great Bear from the East.
But this maybe one reason why guns have been allowed.
Another reason is the hunting. It is true that hunting remains important in Finland.

But these two points do not equal a school shooting.
If there are over 50 guns to every 100 households the first political point ( rather than the hunting) is the biggest force.

yet even now there is no solid connection.
I have many rocks and sticks but I do not go around playing that way.

But Finland has a high proportion of violent video game "creativity". Nokia Land is also attached to a kind of violence.

Nokia Land ( they used to say that "Nokia Connects") disconnects those face-to-face morality issues.

This killing was, in part, a surface-image killing nothingless!

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23:47
zola a social thing said...

The Times newspaper online has a very interesting situation going on.
About 200 Finns have complained about one report concerning this sad killing field.

There are many big issues here going on.

11:40
zola a social thing said...

For those interested the Times on-line has now about 500 + responses concerning the Nokia land Killing.

I am not able to say too much about this as yet ( maybe never) but a few cultural buttons have been pressed it seems.

09:56
zola a social thing said...

Finnish politico says that more walls and cctv stuff is needed for schools.

That is the level of political debate.
However many others are going out in public trying to make better sense of this.

09:58

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